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TOP CAT's a Cool Cat! PLUS an EXCLUSIVE SNEAK PEAK of Looney Tunes Collector's Choice Vol. 4
What makes "Top Cat" a timeless treasure in the realm of classic television animation? Join us as we uncover the magic behind the newly released Blu-ray edition of "Top Cat: The Complete Series," now boasting stunning 4K scans from the original camera negatives. Animation historians George Feltenstein and Jerry Beck guide us through the historical context and significance of this release. We'll explore the sophisticated writing, high-caliber voice cast, and the fascinating connections between "Top Cat" and other Hanna-Barbera classics like "The Flintstones" and "The Jetsons." Additionally, find out how the Phil Silvers show influenced this animated gem and the meticulous effort put into restoring it for future generations.
Then we get an EXCLUSIVE sneak peek of what will be included in the upcoming "Looney Tunes Collector's Choice Volume 4."
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hello and welcome to the extras. I'm tim larger host and joining me today are animation historians george feldenstein and jerry beck.
Speaker 1:Hi guys hello well, I'm excited to talk some animation with you guys today and we have some hannah barbarid to about. And I know a lot of people are also excited to hear some updates about the Looney Tunes Collector's Choice, volume 4. And just so that the listeners know, we will get to that. But I know that right off the bat, george, you wanted to talk about this brand new Blu-ray release of Top Cat, the complete series, which just came out September 17th. I know I'm excited Haven't gotten my copy yet but what do you want to talk about here on this release first?
Speaker 2:These are 4K scans off the camera negatives. They look amazing and I have a tremendous fondness for the series and I know a lot of people share my enthusiasm for it, and I'm just so grateful that we're finally able to bring this to the market, because we started out with a goal. We started with Johnny Quest, we mastered that for Blu-ray I think in 2019, and then the Jetsons, and then the Jetsons and we moved on to various series and I wanted to get to Top Cat and there were a lot of detours along the way. But to get to the camera negatives and what kind of shape are they in? They hadn't been touched since probably the mid-1960s, probably the mid-1960s. The net result is a really beautiful set and I think people are going to be very, very pleased with the improvement in the quality. From what they've seen before.
Speaker 2:People are kind of surprised when they find out it only ran one primetime season on ABC and what everybody saw thereafter were Saturday morning reruns, or even before that it went into regular syndication, I think for a season, like in the evenings. I'm not exactly sure about that, but Jerry will appreciate this. I remember Saturday early evening broadcasts on WNEW-TV before the Saturday morning reruns Wow. So you know, I was like two, but I remember it. Maybe I dreamed it, but it was black and white. We didn't have a color TV. The show was broadcast in black and white, initially on ABC. I don't think they had color yet, but they made them in color. Thankfully, we do this. It's a victory, and it's a victory for the fans of television animation. We can now say classic television animation, because these shows are over 60 years old. As much as we don't want to think so, that is the truth.
Speaker 1:Jerry. I did want to ask you, jerry, a little bit about the kind of the lead up. It's the second series in primetime that Hanna-Barbera did, but what was kind of the development? Do you know of the series?
Speaker 3:Well, like the Flintstones, was inspired by the Honeymooners, you know this. This series, of course, was inspired by the Phil Silvers, you know, bilko show and I mean this was a real golden age of Hanna-Barbera. There's a period between 57 and, to me, 65, almost 10 years, where I feel like they almost could do no wrong. They had it all down. They had the artwork, they had the animators, they had the designs, they had the writers. You know it's funny. I think of these Hanna-Barbera cartoons from that period as sophisticated I think that's the word, a good word to go with Topgat. You know the earliest cartoons, the Huckleberry Hounds, the Yogi Bears, the Quick Draw McGraws, they're written by people like Michael Maltese and Warren Foster. These were the great Warner Brothers cartoon writers and they are smart, they're funny in that way. They're not just like funny because someone says they're funny or because there's a laugh track. They're actually really clever and really really funny cartoons. And then they go from that to the Flintstones, which was on in primetime, and Top Cat the following year. And these are not written towards kids, these are written towards adults. And suddenly, if you think about it, those Hanna-Barbera cartoons from that late 50s period and the 60s primetime are pretty hip for what they are. The Jetsons would continue, that, even Johnny Quest would continue. That.
Speaker 3:It wasn't until that period around after Top Cat where they started going back down towards kids' cartoons Kids' cartoons that we love, the Secret Squirrels and the McGilligurillas and things like that but that all came after Hanna and Barbera had spent 15 years or more working at MGM, working on cartoons for adults and all audiences, winning Oscars with Tom and Jerry, and so they weren't really used to making kids' cartoons. It was unusual for them. They had to really really rethink what they did and how they did it. Top Cat fits perfectly with what they were doing. They had done Alley Cats in an alley, you know, before with Tom and Jerry.
Speaker 3:This time, due to TV and the way things had changed and the influence of Bilko, they had, in my opinion, an all-star voice cast. I mean, it's just, it's a great show and, as George says and I don't think we want to over-say it, but we could the quality of the going back to the original negatives, seeing these things as no one has seen them, maybe since maybe the original release on ABC primetime, way back when I saw them then. But man, I mean, you know, these things are really, really superior and I'm just so happy that we're able to release this. And George said classic TV animation. I want to make it clear Classic television period. You know that's what this is. So.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it was primetime. It was primetime TV.
Speaker 3:I mean, that's my opening statement here, today. But, just you know, very, very happy to see this and I believe I'm on here and doing some audio commentary.
Speaker 3:Yes you are? Yes, george, did you say this? That we brought over some of the special features, everything, everything, okay, good, there's a lot of good stuff on here, and there's a whole feature on Arnold Stang, who I'm a big fan of, who is the voice of Top Cat. What's really funny about Stang and, by the way, stop me, because I can talk at length about any of this, but the thing about Stang is he's playing this in-charge Bilko-esque character. His whole career was basically this little nebbish, this nerd right, and he's in a mad, mad world around the same time. They're filming that while they're making Top Cat. I mean, it's like you know, but I think he really, really shows I guess he shows his range, you know here.
Speaker 2:It is really a showcase for him. Yes, because he was able to take on a persona he never did in live action. And Top Cat was cool, I mean, he was like he's the leader of the gang, you know, and that ties into this is kind of very inspired by Bilko, even down to some of the cast members of the voice cast Right. But also I think there is definitely an influence from the East Side Kids slash, bowery Boys movies.
Speaker 3:You know, I was thinking that I didn't want to say it, but you're absolutely right. You know, definitely it's funny. Yeah, because those characters, as you know, started as Warner Brothers characters.
Speaker 2:Right with the dead end kids.
Speaker 3:And now Warner's, of course, today has the rights to the Bowery Boys, which you've put out on DVD, which I love. I want to quickly mention, as far as the cast goes, I just don't want to forget it, Alan Jenkins as Officer Dibble.
Speaker 2:Speaking of Warner Brothers.
Speaker 3:I mean, I think he's in every Warner Brothers movie of the late 30s and early 40s. So here he is again and he's great With voices a lot of actors, most actors the voice is exactly the same. You're not seeing him on camera, but he's Alan Jenkins. It's great.
Speaker 2:And the writing of the show. I think this is really important. Yeah, you didn't have the typical animation writers working on the show. You had sitcom writers. I think one of them, one of the writers, I think, was a writer for Bilko, if I'm remembering correctly.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a writer for Bilko, if I'm remembering correctly. Yeah, and you also, of course, as you said, the cast we have, at least you know, maurice Gosfield, doberman, right, and?
Speaker 2:they designed Benny the Ball, the character he played, to resemble his physical appearance as an actor Short and plump, and you know he was a cute cat. And Marvin Kaplan, leo DeLion, one person who was a voice member who did a lot of other Hanna-Barbera stuff was John Stevenson.
Speaker 3:Yes, I was going to say do you, George, I don't know if you, we, were kids when this first came on. I mean little kids, as you said. I don't know about you, but I used to collect these things called TV Tiny Kins. Do you know what I'm talking about? These little things, these little painted figures? And I remember buying all the Top Cat characters because they were like really of a team, you know, of the similar but different, you know cat characters. That was like a major collectible for me at the time when I was, whatever age I was.
Speaker 2:And very few of those survived because kids destroyed them, so they usually didn't survive a childhood. If you can find them, they probably go for a fortune.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't think they would sell them anymore. I thought you were going to say that you can't find them because a lot of kids swallowed them. That's very small, they were tiny.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, george and Jerry, the show only went for one year, so was it considered kind of a disappointment that it didn't go any further by Joe and Bill.
Speaker 2:I've never read Jerry, correct me if you know differently I've never read anything about disappointment. I'm sure they would have wanted to probably continue and have it be a big hit, like the Flintstones which ran for six seasons, but they just moved on to the next thing, which was the Jetsons, you know Right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't think it was a big disappointment. I mean, like you said also, that it went almost immediately. I didn't know about that interim WNEW thing, but it went almost immediately to. I think it went on Saturday morning for a season, yeah, and then I think it was syndicated in some way, but it went to Saturday morning when Saturday morning wasn't really producing that kind of material yet. Right, that would come later, and so it was a big treat for the kids.
Speaker 3:I love that a year later, after what I consider a sophisticated adult, you know cartoon show is suddenly on, you know, for kids on Saturday morning. I find that fascinating. I'm almost insulted when people tell me, oh, I used to for kids on Saturday morning. I find that fascinating. I'm almost insulted when people tell me, oh, I used to watch that on Saturday morning, when they talk about any of the primetime shows, because I have to point it out to them that you know, the writing is really good on this. It's not just a piece of Saturday morning something, you know, it's a very good show that just happens to have run on Saturday morning.
Speaker 2:And to that point, I think my memory of seeing it like an early weekend evening syndication as a child. I think it may have been one of those situations where they did a combination syndication deal for the reruns as well as Saturday mornings. I know that happened with the Flintstones early on. Yeah, it was running on NBC on Saturday mornings and it also ran as a daytime syndicated strip. You know, after the network run they had a lot of episodes of course. Yeah, I mean, there was all. Joe Barbara was such a great salesman he would find any way to get the shows seen in any other uh possible way of monetizing them. And an interesting thing that also should be uh raised up is that when top cat headed to other countries and was dubbed in other languages, in Mexico apparently very famous voice actors, or I should say very famous actors, did the voices. And there's still a huge popularity for Top Cat, more in Latin American countries than here.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, there was two theatrical CG Top Cat features that were made in the last sometime in the last 15 years. They're hard to find, but they were put out on video somewhere. I mean, it's just a big deal. You know the Top Cat? Oh, by by the way, it reminds you of another piece of trivia which I'm just getting into, trivia here about top cat, which was in england.
Speaker 2:you probably know this well, I know what you're gonna say, yeah yeah, they had.
Speaker 3:They had a, a comic strip or something that was called top cat and it was well known in england. Oh, no, no, no, it was a cat food, I think it was. I think it was something like a cat food called Top Cat. So they couldn't call it Top Cat, boss Cat. Yeah, they called it Boss Cat instead. Now my question is are there any Boss Cat opening titles where it says that that's what I want to see? I actually don't think there is.
Speaker 2:We don't have them. You know they must have left them in London. I don't know.
Speaker 3:If they made them. I kind of think that might be. I think they might have ran them and just had the. I don't know. They might have had some singers re-sing the title and have them say Boss Cat, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2:I'm going to guess this is not anything I know factually, and I bet there are a lot of people listening to this who know the factual answer. Yeah, I think they probably left the theme song alone and just changed. Okay, that's my hypothesis, but someone with a little more education in the subject than I can give us a definitive answer. Okay.
Speaker 1:My understanding is it was pretty popular in England as well, right?
Speaker 2:It's popular everywhere, the shows are entertaining and they're very well written. You know, I remember and I think probably other people who are listening to this podcast may one. On each side of the record that was basically the soundtrack of an episode. It had been probably pared down a little bit in terms of time, but I remember as a kid just listening to the record, because in those days we didn't have home video, we didn't have a way of seeing things over and over again. You could look at your pieces of still photography on a Viewmaster or a Give a Show projector or something, but we couldn't see these things.
Speaker 2:Although there were little 8mm movies that were five minutes long or that kind of thing. Top Cat stayed popular and the reruns on Saturday mornings helped to keep it that way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, that's how most of us saw. It was Saturday morning and that's kind of what you think of. But going back to the writing that you guys were talking about, that's why I think when you watch it now as an older adult, you can still laugh and totally enjoy it just as much, maybe even more, because you understand certain things and you read into it the more adult nuances or so but that's why you can enjoy it so much now at an older age. Absolutely. See it now also in the uh in in the high definition. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to that because of just everything you've done in hd, george, all that the warner archive has released this year you get, and you've released a lot of hannah barbara.
Speaker 2:It's looked terrific and we wanted to be able to achieve the same thing and we never know how it's going to turn out. It's much more difficult with the segmented shows like Huckleberry Hound and Yogi Bear, because they were absolutely torn to ribbons to remove sponsorships and they were a mess that we're still in the middle right now of trying to put back together to put back together. But in this case this was a complete scenario of 20 minutes or so in length and we found that the main and end titles were a little were not taken the best care of. There's only one end title in color that survives and that's why we have a special summary of all credits. As was done on the DVD. The Blu-ray will have a summary of all credits of everyone who worked on this series. But the reason when you see the end credits, if it all looks the same, it's because they only save one and it wasn't even an original negative. It's our only color source. We have black and white, but we don't have color.
Speaker 2:So the amount of archival archaeology that goes into something like this is enormous. And it took a great deal of time and it's very expensive, but the net result is something that people can cherish. And it took a great deal of time and it's very expensive, but the net result is something that people can cherish and it's cross-generational, because multiple generations grew up loving this show.
Speaker 1:Hey Jerry, where does this rank in terms of popularity of all that golden era of Hanna-Burra?
Speaker 3:I don't think we have rankings like that. But the reality though, of just hearsay people, I know I mean the fandom of this show. I know people who aren't interested in animation at all and they'll tell me, you know, the only show I liked was Topgat. You know, I mean there's definitely a fandom for this particular character. I don't know, you know, it's hard for me to explain. I just love the character design, I love the what I call the situation of it, that Bowery Boise situation of it, and there really is no other show like that.
Speaker 3:Most of the other ones have a more of a high concept. You know the Flintstones, stone Age, you know family, that kind of thing. This is a cooler show and he's a character we all aspire to be kind of in that Bugs Bunny mold, in that you know he's got the answers, he figures out you know the problems, he's calm, he's confident. I mean, obviously, sometimes he flips out, but he's a cool character and that's what we like, because we want characters like that. We either want them to be something we can identify with or something we want to be, and Top Cat's one of those something we want to be, and Top Cat's one of those something we want to be. So I anticipate that he'll find new success and new fans, especially in this new restored version. That's the thing.
Speaker 3:Let's repeat it again Restored cartoons like this, I mean if you don't know, it's from 1961, you know. Or if you're just a kid and somehow you know you're binge watching this with your family. It plays and is like new. There's really nothing 1961 about it. Now that I think about it, I mean maybe they use telephones that are on, you know, on wires. Yeah, the police telephone yeah that's about it.
Speaker 3:it's, it's, it's, it's fresh, you know. It has a fresh feel and it's artistically valid, as I like to say, meaning it's, it's just a good looking show, you know, I mean, I mean I go on and on about all that. You know I love when they use the old ink line. This is hand-inked, hand-painted. You know they're using a big, thick brush for the outlines because they want to make sure you'll be able to see it. They wanted to make sure you'll be able to see it with your bad reception on antenna television back in black and white back in 1961. So really, we're really seeing it like we haven't before and it really completes. I mean, george, you've put out Flintstones and the Jetsons, and so this to me and Johnny Quest, this is, unless I'm forgetting something, this is the completion of the prime time set.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, there are things like New Adventures of Huck Finn, which we only did on DVD, but we still did New Masters for it, albeit for DVD.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm thinking that early 60s yeah from the early 60s period.
Speaker 2:This fills a major gap. Yes, and Flintstones was done by the mothership. That was not Warner Archive. But Top Cat is most definitely Warner Archive and we're very proud of how it turned out and we hope that the fans really enjoy it when they get it at their doorstep Fans, really enjoy it when they get it at their doorstep.
Speaker 1:Well, I am hoping that people are, you know, supporting it and, as we've talked about on the podcast before, george, people need to. If they want more Hanna-Barbera, people need to step up, they need to show their support, purchase these sets. I don't think this set's going to have any problem doing that, hopefully, but I just want to remind people to do that so that we can get more Hanna-Barbera out to the fans. But along those notes, george, can people expect, hopefully, more Hanna-Barbera in the upcoming 2025?.
Speaker 2:Most definitely.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's up to George to announce.
Speaker 2:We've got a lot of surprises up our sleeve.
Speaker 3:A lot of interesting stuff and beautifully newly restored and with extras and things you haven't seen. That's the cool thing about a Blu-ray is that you can include those those extra things to make it even more special.
Speaker 2:If you like what you saw on the Jetsons and I also want to. Just, this is a good time to address the Jetsons. We released the original network series of the Jetsons for the 60s. There were episodes that were rebooted in the 80s Right, but they were some, but most, most were not finished to film. They were finished to videotape and they don't look good, even upconverted. And we stayed pure to the original network series. And a lot of people who don't know the history like where's season two and three? Well, that was a different incarnation and we wanted to stay pure to that original series and it wouldn't have necessarily benefited from the boast to blue. When you're coming from a 35 millimeter color negative, you do have the boost and the improvement in quality you do have the boost and the improvement in quality.
Speaker 1:Well, there's been a lot of excitement for the fourth volume of the Looney Tunes Collector's Choice series ever since you announced it, george, back sometime earlier this summer, and a lot of speculation. People love to speculate about what cartoons will be included and I know you're not going to give the full list today, but what can you tell us about the upcoming release, just to let us know a little bit more about it.
Speaker 2:Well, everything's on target and we're going to have a November 26th street date and I'm confident that, despite the supply chain and production problems that we've been having, which we're still having although I see a light at the end of the tunnel and I apologize to all of our loyal customers if they're not getting their discs when they hope to I'm one of the people that's waiting.
Speaker 2:We see that problem is going to get better, but I'm confident that Looney Tunes Volume 4 will be ready for November 26. And since the fans have been really great in their support for the series and we did want to let people know the volume four was happening, and we did indicate one cartoon that a lot of people have been asking for, where the quality has been pretty pathetic in the past and where we did go back to the nitrate original negative the Technicolor successive exposure negatives to be precise and remaster, and that is Pack Up your Troubles, directed by Fritz Frilling, 1945 with Sylvester. So that's a little. You heard it here. On the extras first, that is going to be one of the 25 cartoons never before on Blu-ray or DVD.
Speaker 3:George, you told me there was going to be more than 25. Well, but I talked about 25.
Speaker 2:That fits. What we said is the strategy for looney tunes collector's choice. Yes, cartoons that had never been on dvd or blu-ray before. Or if they were on on a DVD, it was not sanctioned by certain people and they were not remastered cartoons and used as bonuses, so we don't count those.
Speaker 2:But if it had been remastered for a Golden Collection or a Platinum Collection, that's not what collector's choice has been about, if it was on only Laserdisc or VHS or not available at all. That's what it's been about. However, peck Up your Troubles is one of those cartoons that needed to be redone, and so that's the one that I really wanted to pass along as a taste of what's to come, but we did bend the rules a little bit by keeping ourselves at that 25, but adding two more cartoons, so there's 27 cartoons 27.
Speaker 2:Technically, two of these cartoons have been on DVD before. Two of these cartoons have been on DVD before but in a way that was not pleasing to the animation fan. And there were some cartoons that came out that, as we do with feature films, they were released on DVD in their theatrical aspect ratio. Fan community didn't like that because it cut off the top and the bottom of what they were used to seeing on television and VHS. So there is a change in strategy to keep all the animation at one through seven point to one aspect ratio open mat. And there are two cartoons which were previously released with their top and bottom cropped to theatrical aspect ratio that will be included on this collection as bonus cartoons in their open mat form where you see the full aperture frame as originally animated, and those cartoons are from 1955, stork Naked with Daffy Duck and from 1960, lighter Than Hair with Bugs Bunny.
Speaker 2:So those are the little tidbit hints we can provide today on what will be on Looney Tunes Collector's Choice, volume 4.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Well, the obvious answer yes, yes, yes. Anytime you guys want to come, I'll drop everything and fit you in the schedule, for sure, for sure. And I'm loving these three previous volumes. I think everybody else is loving them as well. I was curious I don't know if we talked about this, george, but what was kind of the? You know, two and three kind of came out back to back and then there's been this longer delay before four. What was the reason for that?
Speaker 2:Well, we needed to see if the sales of volume three would be profitable, and it took a little longer for volume three to be profitable than volumes one and two be profitable than volumes one and two. But once we hit that point where management knew we were going to be able to deliver profitability with a volume four, we got the green light to go forward. That was the delay. So the takeaway is if you love this stuff, you help us bring you more by buying at street date when things come out, because that speeds up the process of more, more, more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that's true with all of these releases that the World of Warcraft does. I mean it's they're not the huge mass market, you know, ones that are coming from the mothership, as you say, and so there needs to be the support from the get-go. If people just sit around and wait and wait and wait. You know, yes, I understand, and you know it can be tough times for some people. But if you're a fan of it and you know you're going to get it, don't wait. Get that pre-order in and usually get that pre-order guarantee on a lot of the sites, and that'll give you the ammunition, george and Jerry, to go back to the studio, get in the vaults and get all of these classic films out to the fans, because there's so much more there.
Speaker 3:Also, I still hear from people all the time who didn't buy something when it came out, when we were urging people to get it, and then that particular thing that may not be the case here goes out of print and then they decide a year later they're going to get it. Now the price is triple what it was originally. And then they get it and they look at it and I get so many people writing to me. Porky 101 is one of those things, but there's others where people will write to me and go what was all the controversy about this? Because this is fantastic.
Speaker 3:People raving about a lot of our releases, because they, foolishly, are listening to people online with negative opinions. I stand behind everything George has put out. The Warner Archive collection with cartoons this is really, you know, outstanding for collectors and there is no hesitation, no one should have hesitation about buying any of these things, and it does help us to convince the powers that be to keep going. If one orders. You know them, you know and we've you know we want to keep going if one orders. You know them, you know and we've you know we, we want to keep doing this and once you buy the disc, you own it.
Speaker 2:It's on your shelf. That's why physical media is so important. Yeah, because things can come and go and suddenly they're gone, but if it's on your shelf and especially with Blu-rays, which are very durable you've got the knowledge that your collection is safe, as long as you keep it properly cooled and don't let it bake in the back of your car. I think you're going to be fine, and we're really delighted to be able to do more of this, as there continues to be support from fans, which we so deeply appreciate.
Speaker 1:And I was just doing a little bit of math. George 27 on the Looney Tunes collector's choice, volume four, I suppose the retail is around $24. So we're talking less than $21.98 list price. Yeah, it's less than a dollar for a film, many of which have never seen the light of day in this quality.
Speaker 2:Less than a dollar a cartoon. It's amazing you get such great value on these lossless audio, a lot of things that were missing from other iterations of animation years earlier. These will be at a bit rate of around 28, 29, 30, which is a very healthy bit rate and they're going to look fantastic. And the content it's almost three hours on the disc. And the content it's almost three hours on the disc Wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, fantastic. Well, as always, george, jerry, the time flies when you guys come on talking animation, talking Hanna-Barbera, talking Looney Tunes, and it's great fun to hear all of your knowledge and everything that you guys have to say about these releases. So thank you.
Speaker 3:Thank you.
Speaker 1:Thank you, tim. For those who would like more information about Top Cat, the Complete Series Blu-ray release and the upcoming Looney Tunes Collector's Choice Volume 4 release, be sure to check out our podcast Facebook page and our Warner Archive Facebook group. You can find the links to those and all of our social media sites in the podcast show notes. Facebook is also the best place to get the pre-order link for volume four when it becomes available. If you aren't yet subscribed or following the show at your favorite podcast provider, you may want to do that so that you don't miss anything that we have coming up, including our future episodes with George and Jerry to talk about the Looney Tunes collector's choice wine. For Until next time. You've been listening to Tim Millard. Stay slightly obsessed.